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Post by Guest Tue 22 Jul 2014, 5:24 pm

Great idea for the fix and well done. Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 3887228019 

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Post by Tumbler75 Wed 23 Jul 2014, 1:54 am

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Post by RetiredMike Wed 23 Jul 2014, 11:27 pm

Finished opening up the gap the right amount.  Kept measuring against a piece of graph paper.  This is where it was:
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I set it up to clamp it under tension overnight when I glue it.  In the morning, I added gap filling CA in the crevice in place of filler.
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This is where it is now.  I can live with this and continue on.
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We're good for now.

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Post by Guest Thu 24 Jul 2014, 9:18 am

So we're talking about 1/2 mm over the full length now? .

Excellent recovery!!

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Post by Guest Thu 24 Jul 2014, 6:18 pm

Good job. Looks great.

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Post by RetiredMike Wed 30 Jul 2014, 9:00 pm

Handley Page progresses.  Sprayed clearcote over the top wings and applied the Airfix decals.  With this model, I'll be using a silky thread I got from Hobby Lobby.  The rigging in the lower wing is not colored.  The one above it has had the thread drawn through a silver craft rub-on - a kind of waxy product.

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I also assembled the tail section.  The center pieces fit very well, but the outer pieces will have to be squeezed together during gluing to make proper contact.  That issue allowed me to leave the two fins off until later.  Airfix did not provide any holes for rigging back here as they did on the front wings.  I'll add an abbreviated version of the rigging and include the elevator cabling when I discover where it exits the fuselage. Below is the factory's illustration of the actual rigging.

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I started putting the struts on the front lower wing pieces, but after thinking about it, I may have goofed.  There is a 4 degree angle the wing needs to be at.  I believe the struts should be perfectly upright when at that angle - not when flat.  It might have to wait until I complete more of the fuselage center section, so I can mock up the outer wing sections and see how it looks.  This is a bit of a complicated kit to build.

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Thanks again for your comments.

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Post by Guest Thu 31 Jul 2014, 2:27 am

That rigging looks very complicated to me. Not sure if I would tackle it or not. Best of luck to ya.

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Post by Tumbler75 Thu 31 Jul 2014, 2:51 am

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Post by john2308 Thu 31 Jul 2014, 4:52 am

Looks good  Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 3887228019  Good luck with the rear tail rigging  Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 1578238153 
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Post by harron68 Thu 31 Jul 2014, 2:24 pm

A simplified rigging would look best, since it's in scale, not large. It sure does look ridiculously complicated! Between need for structure and control of flaps and tail there seem to be a lot of lines!

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Post by harron68 Thu 31 Jul 2014, 2:39 pm

I checked google images and got to the "Internet Modeler" site and a scratchbuilt bomber in 1/48 scale. This proves we are sane. A scratch builder of that plane may not be. Here's a link to the article http://www.wwi-models.org/IM/British/hp_0-400.html

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Post by RetiredMike Thu 31 Jul 2014, 3:01 pm

harron68 wrote:I checked google images and got to the "Internet Modeler" site and a scratchbuilt  bomber in 1/48 scale.  This proves we are sane.  A scratch builder of that plane may not be.  Here's a link to the article http://www.wwi-models.org/IM/British/hp_0-400.html

Yes, I saw that article. Excellent work. I have a tendency to have numerous projects started at one time. When a rush of insanity strikes, I revert to scratchbuilding. LOL
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Post by Geezerman Fri 01 Aug 2014, 1:12 am

Great write up on that scratchbuilt model. A well deserved win !
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Post by Skid Sat 02 Aug 2014, 11:16 pm

Great stuff Mike and I like your rigging.

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Post by webby Sun 03 Aug 2014, 12:36 am

Wow. Not a build for me, I admire your patience with it!
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Post by RetiredMike Wed 06 Aug 2014, 5:10 am

Got the decals done on this baby.  Also put some of the little parts on here and there, although it looks like one of the generators has taken a vacation from the box, so a little scratchbuilding is in order.

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Also started rigging the tail.  Chose to go with EZLine instead of the silk thread.  After looking at the thread a lot, it seems to have a flat side to it in its appearance.  The EZLine also went on easily on the Albatross, so I'll stick with it for now.  I found I don't need to dip the tip of the line in CA accelerator - a drop can be placed near the CA and it works better.  And it doesn't leave any mark on the paint it contacts.  I just did a test with the silver rub-on to see if anything will affect the line when colored.  The wax works ok.  Next will be using metallizer paint - hope it doesn't react.

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After dullcoating the fuselage and wings, the wings can start being installed.  That's going to be the tricky part  - lots of factors involved in getting it right.

Thanks for your comments and for following along,
Mike
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Post by Geezerman Wed 06 Aug 2014, 11:11 am

That's looking great, Mike !  Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 3331969777 
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Post by coyote Wed 06 Aug 2014, 12:28 pm

A really classy job Mike.
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Post by Guest Wed 06 Aug 2014, 6:12 pm

The rigging in the tail section is awesome. I really like the look of the whole thing.

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Post by RetiredMike Wed 06 Aug 2014, 9:00 pm

Made the test of using a metallizer paint on EZLine and found it does not react with the line.  That will be the method of doing the rigging in steel color.

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Taking the struts out of the lower wing I had previously done, I found that a 4 degree inclination was equal to a little less than .5" rise over the 4.75" length of that wing piece.  So I found a clip that would support the wing tip at about that height while I reglued the struts in correctly.  You can see in the photo that the tab at the inner end of the wing is now parallel to the surface.

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Surprisingly it's still looking on track.  LOL

Thanks, again,

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Post by Skid Wed 06 Aug 2014, 11:39 pm

Great work Mike and the rigging rocks!!  Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 1705482731 

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Post by RetiredMike Fri 15 Aug 2014, 6:00 pm

Just a little update for now - have returned to work in the kitchen.

Got windows installed using .020" clear styrene instead of the clear kit parts.  Also scratched up a generator to replace the missing one on the right side.  The wings and fuselage have been dullcoated.  The engine nacelles have been installed with their struts.  For the most part they seem pretty straight.  The instructions say to install the top wing center wing section before the engine work, but it seemed kinda chancy.  Luckily for me, I did it this way - I didn't pay close enough attention to the instructions and glued the lower to the upper piece in backwards!  But CA snaps cleanly with a little pressure and that was corrected.  EZLine pieces were glued in at the most difficult locations before assembly to make things easier.

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Don't know why there's splotches in the pictures - they aren't on the model.  Maybe it's time for a new camera.  Tired of changing AA batteries. LOL

That's it for now.

Thanks for looking,

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Post by Tumbler75 Fri 15 Aug 2014, 8:23 pm

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Lookin' good! As for the spots. Check your lens. Might have a bit of dust on there.

I got tired of changing batteries and upgraded cameras about 2 yrs ago now. Has been a joy just to plug'n charge the camera when needed. LoL  Handley Page 0-400 WWI Bomber - Page 2 3887228019 
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Post by Guest Sat 16 Aug 2014, 2:22 am

Looking good.

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Post by Geezerman Sat 16 Aug 2014, 10:22 am

That's looking super.
Gonna be a great model!
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