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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:44 am

Nice work on the P/e hinges Paul. Shame about losing one but I'm sure you can make another.

The tracks look good John.... do Tamiya supply a 'former' to make them on?

I couldn't live with those 'fender' pieces shown in white above so I replaced them with the thinnest styrene I have. Still out of scale but much better methinks.

I also took Johns suggestion on board and did a little 'parking' damage to the outer corners of the fronts. It's a bit subtle so I may yet do a bit more. While I was on I also scribed the hinge line for the access panels. (now I'm debating whether or not I should replicate the piano type hinges too... 

Sprayed it with the nearest I have to 'Panzer Grey', then a coat of hair spray followed by decals and another coat of hair spray in preparation for the winter camo.








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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 10:19 pm

You are really moving along Al. Tamiya did not supply any kind of former. This is the first time I've assembled this type of track so it has been a learning process. I used a drive wheel to form the curves that were needed. The rest I just eyeballed. Hopefully it will come together right.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 21 Sep 2016, 11:02 pm

I replicated the hinges with the thinnest styrene rod I have. Looks stark on the grey but should blend in quite nicely when painted:



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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 1:04 am

Al: I will be using the hairspray technique for the first time. Could you give a brief overview of how it's done? Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 2:46 am

Sure Cole.

Spray the model as per usual. Spray a coat of hair spray. Next apply the decals. Now add another coat of hairspray.

When that is dry, spray matt white (Must be acrylic though) assuming you are doing winter camo that is. Be careful how much you apply. The thicker the coat/s the longer and harder it is to remove.

Let that dry for maybe an hour.

Now comes the fun bit. Fill a small bowl with water. If you have an atomiser, spray the model with cold water. If not, run it under the cold tap until soaked. Set it down on some kitchen roll and let it sit for maybe 20-30 minutes, spraying several times with the atomiser.

Now you need a small (about 4mm round) very short haired, very coarse bristled brush. You may have to cut one down. Mine is cut to about 4mm.

Now you dip the brush in the water and 'Stipple' the paint until it starts to come off. Initially it will take a while for the base colour to appear but keep all of the model wet and gradually it will get easier and quicker.

Continue in this vein until you have it where you want it.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 3:52 am

Al: I'll ask you the same thing you asked a while back, what in the world are you doing on line after 4 o'clock in the morning? Go back to bed.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 10:34 am

Couldn't get to sleep John so I thought It'd get stuck in!!! LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 3:27 pm

Got the treads partially weathered.



There is still a ways to go, but I have to get the Zimmerit applied first so this is a stopping point for the model until it arrives.  

I intend to get started on the base so will be posting in the next week or so.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 5:04 pm

What did you use on the tracks John??

The basis of the winter camo is complete. Next will be streaking etc.





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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 22 Sep 2016, 7:01 pm

Al:

1. A light coat of Model Masters flat black lacquer decanted and shot through an air brush as a shadow coat.
2. A coat of Scale Finishes rust color through an air brush.
3. A coat of Model Masters stainless steel from the can. This was actually a mistake on my part because the coat was way too thick. I should have decanted it and used an air brush. To correct this I dipped cotton buds in thinner and removed much of the excess which allowed the rust to show through.
4. I then used Bragdon Powders of various colors until I thought the weathering was about right.

Like I said on the other post, there is still a bit to be done, but it will have to wait until I have the Zimmerit done and the Elefant painted. I want to add some more pigments and mud. I plan on doing a base that will be somewhat like yours. It will represent an Elefant on the eastern front during the final weeks of the war. It will be in an ambush position and wIll
have suffered battle damage. At least that's the plan. These techniques are new to me, so we will see how it works out.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Fri 23 Sep 2016, 3:58 pm

I think I over did the streaking somewhat but it's going to get either some 'frost' or a light coat of 'snow' so I should be OK. May take some off to be sure though!!!




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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Fri 23 Sep 2016, 11:24 pm

I don't know Al. If your intent is for this to be near the end of the war I think the weathering is pretty near perfect. By then German equipment was in pretty sad shape and not getting much in the way of maintenance. A bit of snow being added might be appropriate, but I wouldn't remove any of the streaking. My opinion for what it's worth.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Tue 27 Sep 2016, 3:43 am

Very nice work Al.

The hull and turret are now complete. This type of weathering will be a first for me, especially the winter scheme. I wasn't sure I could add the turret decals after the hairspray and winter white. So I brushed painted the area where the decals are placed. After that, I will blend in with air brushing. The rust and light green filters have also been applied prior to the winter white. My reasoning is that I can apply a heavy coat of rust and the white topcoat will mute the effect. So after sufficient drying time, the hairspray and white topcoat will follow.







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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Tue 27 Sep 2016, 10:18 am

On the 1:1, the writing would have been applied directly to the green paint. Then in the winter, the winter camo was applied over the top of it using whitewash and anything from an ordinary paint brush to a sweeping brush.

As winter wore on, the writing would start to show through the whitewash as it gradually washed of.

So normally you would add the hairspray, then the decals, then a further coat of hair spray to protect them. Then spray the white and chip away at it letting some of the decals show through.



But then there is no right or wrong with weathering anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Tue 27 Sep 2016, 10:49 pm

Nice work going on, guys.  I lost count, Al, is that number 3?

Test fit two of the sides.




Cannon for the front is done and on.




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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Tue 27 Sep 2016, 11:19 pm

THE ZIMMERIT IS HERE! I'M BACK IN BUSINESS!

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 28 Sep 2016, 2:06 am

Cheers Al. Duly noted for future reference.

2whl; really enjoying your work.

Some final details before the whitewash; spare treads and tow cable with fasteners.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 28 Sep 2016, 9:41 am

And... round one.







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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 28 Sep 2016, 10:38 am

Paul..... that's the tank in my 'Retreat From Leningrad' dio I posted for illustration purpose for Cole.

The interior looks to be well detailed and coming along nicely too. 

'No3' is two posts above.

That's pretty good Cole, although I think you need to remove some from the boxes and the turret too, also the wheels. Keep at it.

Add some streaking next and it will transform it.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Wed 28 Sep 2016, 4:37 pm

Cole: it's coming along nicely. I'm anxious to see the finished product.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 29 Sep 2016, 3:16 am

Thanks John. Al; thanks for the comments.

Round two; The camera makes it look much lighter/whiter than it appears to my eye. I have left the wheels alone as they will be getting dirtied up after the tracks go on. Again, I have perhaps, done things out of order. I had to do some searching to figure out how to assemble the "magic tracks". That's now been sorted, so things should move along nicely.





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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:29 am

Now that looks SO much better Cole. 

Even with the mud, I think you need to do the wheels too, as they may stick out like a sore thumb if you don't.

I may be being pernickety but I think the radio aerial base needs a little removed also.

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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Thu 29 Sep 2016, 2:59 pm

Cheers Al. A discerning is always appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Sat 01 Oct 2016, 3:50 pm

Nice weathering Cole

I tried to do the camo pattern, but a combination of too thick of paint and to large of a needle in the a/b resulted in a failure.  So I decided to assemble the sides and try again.  I've got some thinner and a smaller nozzle on the way to me.  

First wall on.




All sides on.





The beginning of gluing on the roof.



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PostSubject: Re: Community Build #16 "Military"   Mon 03 Oct 2016, 12:14 am

I've gotten the Zimmerit applied.





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I think in the future I will avoid Zimmerit whenever possible.  To cover this model there were over fifty pieces, each a unique shape.  It took me several days to get them cut and on the model.  I used to think that Bare Metal Foil was tedious, but it doesn't even come close to this Zimmerit for being tedious.  I just hope the final product is worth the effort that went into it.

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