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PostSubject: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 12:32 am

A few days back I asked in "I need help"  if anyone had seen views of Frenchies Bar other than the one found in the Library of Congress.  I asked the same question on several other forums I participate in.  Unfortunately, as far as I can determine the LOC photo is the only one in existence.  As the photo was taken in 1940, there is little chance of ever finding any other photos.   Soooooooo, I am planning a diorama based on the original photo, shown here.
 

 
I do not intend for the diorama to be an exact reproduction of the original as so much of the building will be a figment of my imagination.  It will, however, be an attempt to portray the feel of the small, poor, "juke joints" found in much of the southern part of the United States during the mid-1900s.  Having only been in the southern US one time, I really don't know if anything of this type still exists.  I will be working from a number of different photos of various "juke joints" and will do my best to get the feel.  
 
On this diorama I am playing with the idea of doing an interior.  For that reason I will not be using foam board for the walls and will, instead. be doing a framed building with a removable roof.   
 
So far I have completed the drawings of the building and have cut the lumber for the framing.  I'll start staining the lumber tomorrow.  I hope to have the diorama completed by May 1.  Wish me luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 12:36 am

Love it. I will follow along like a shadow.  
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 1:13 am

I like it !!!!
Great inspiration foto to expand from !!

 
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 1:51 am

Is this outside Virgin Utah?

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 3:25 am

The Orig. Frenchies Bar from Melrose, Louisiana   Awhile back their was an HO scale kit of this, all wood, but I haven't seen one since. Be watching this for sure  
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 10:01 am


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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 17 Nov 2013, 3:16 pm

Like so many small filling stns/gathering places in towns all over the rural U.S. They always looked old and makeshift constructions. Often it would be a tiny house with a tiny gas station/general store built on to the home. Good luck and enjoy making us this treat.
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Wed 27 Nov 2013, 3:37 pm

Progress!! Got the walls of the building framed.  Clipped together just to check size and square.  Not going to get anymore done before Thanksgiving so will have more to post next week.
 

 


Still have to complete the trusses for the removable roof. There will be a stone barbeque oven in the main bar interior that is about half complete. The flat roofed "beer garden" will not have a removable roof or interior. More next week.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Wed 27 Nov 2013, 4:15 pm

Looking good, John. Great start. I love your dioramas, and this one has the makings for a great one.

The wood framing looks great, especially with the removable roofing. Is the interior going to be "sheet rock" or left bare to show the rustic approach, and of course your workmanship?
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Wed 27 Nov 2013, 5:01 pm

Looks Great John. Is the framing done to scale or just eyeball it? Looks awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Wed 27 Nov 2013, 6:07 pm

This is going to be a neat build John. Nice work.

Not as many photos here though!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Thu 28 Nov 2013, 1:12 am

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This is going to be a neat build John. Nice work.

Not as many photos here though!!!
In a hurry this morning Al.  I'll post the rest when we get home. 001

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Thu 28 Nov 2013, 2:00 am

Pete: Thanks for the compliment. Part of the interior walls will be "finished" and part will be left open.

Buck: In this case I'm guessing at dimensions, but if I can measure a building then I will work to an accurate scale. Here I'm working in 1/24 scale. Back in my model railroad days I did a number of buildings in 1/48 scale. When I get back home I'll post a photo of one I was able to measure. It makes things much easier.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sat 30 Nov 2013, 10:19 pm

Buck:  Got back home last night.  Here are a couple of photos that I hope answer your question about scaling.  I have posted the Blue Nugget before, but don't remember if it was on a forum where you participated or not.  Anyway, this building stands in Goldfield Arizona.  About three or four years ago I photographed and measured the original building.  My intention was to build it for a planned O Scale model railroad layout.  To make a long story short, the layout was never built.  
 

 

 
I did finish the building.  I found that having measured and photographed the building made the scratch building much, much easier.  There was no guessing about dimensions or such.  The model turned out as in the following photos.
 

 

 
In the case of Frenchies, I'm having to guess at dimensions and imagine everything but the front of the building.  This is the first time that I have built from such a limited amount of reference material. I'm finding that this takes much more thought and trial and error than when you have the actual measurements and photos.  

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sat 30 Nov 2013, 10:59 pm

Another great build John.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 12:50 am

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 5:05 am

Looks great John. I can see where having the dimensions would make it easier. Let me ask the question this way. If the studs in a shop wall were 24 inches on center. and you were building the shop in 1/24 scale. Would you set the wall studs 1 inch apart? The framing on your walls looks great. I am thinking of doing an old shop building for a diorama and will scratch the building. So if I build it say 40x 20 feet say, and maybe 12 foot ceilings so you could get a lift in it. I would draw it up first. Then have to figure out how much lumber to get. That's kinda what I am driving at. After rereading this I am still not sure it will make sense. if not I will make another run at it.
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 4:16 pm

Buck:  I think I understand what you are worried about.  To answer your question; yes, if you want a truly accurate spacing the studs would have to be one inch apart.  Personally I think that is too closed for appearance sake though.  Also, current code calls for 16" centers on studs.  That is way, way too close together for the appearance of the model.  I figured Frenchies has never see a building inspector so I just eyeballed the spacing of the studs.  

I think making the drawings is absolutely necessary.  It makes finding mistakes and miscalculations so much easier.  Also, I make my drawings full size and use them as templets.  Saves on measuring mistakes later on.  I made a little more progress yesterday and will post the photos later today.  Got to run, this good little Mormon has to get to church.  John

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 5:22 pm

Thanks John That's what I was getting at.
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 7:13 pm

Got back home. I completed the trusses for the removable portion of the roof and for the canope.  This essentially completes the framing and I can get started on finishing the walls this week.  
 

 
The more that I looked at the barbeque oven I started, the less I liked it.  Sooooo, I decided to start it over using the following.  I will do the construction using a "stone by stone" method.
 

 
The label says that the tiles are 3/4 inch, but I have found that they vary.
 

 
To use the tiles I score them and snap them to a more appropriate size.
 

 
I have used these stones in the past and found that they take stain well and build into a rather believable stacked stone wall.  
 

 
I think they will work equally well to build the barbeque oven, but we shall see.  I'll post more progress shots as time goes on.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 9:08 pm

Hi Mr J,

If this new one looks anything like your last it will be a stunner, I have no idea what size N scale is equivalent to but I am thinking it is small which makes it even more impressive...

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 01 Dec 2013, 9:32 pm

Andy: I would love to do this amount of detail in N scale, but I'm afraid that is way too small for me. This is in O scale, actually 1/24 scale. Thanks for the compliment.

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sat 07 Dec 2013, 10:21 pm

The barbecue oven/smoker is finished.  I think it turned out pretty well this time.
 

 

 

 

 
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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sat 07 Dec 2013, 10:30 pm

Nice one John, it looks even better with the weathering done!

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PostSubject: Re: Frenchies Bar   Sun 08 Dec 2013, 12:50 am

001 looking good John.

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