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Post by Skid Tue 03 Sep 2013, 12:40 am

Like Paul, I'm doing this on another site as part of a 'Race' group build.

This is what I am starting with:

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And it's being converted into this:

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The kit is highly detailed as is evident by the no less than 46 piece engine, including a couple of options; Carbs, valve covers and dizzies..

Of particular note  are the separate belts and pulley's and the three piece alternator which includes bracket. Both of these are nice touches.

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The grey carb is an after market piece which I need to use to replicate the race car. It's a shame, as this engine would look good with those four big twin choke Webers. Not included in the photo ate the kits two twin choke carbs.

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Post by Codfather Tue 03 Sep 2013, 9:24 am

I've heard plenty of good things about Trumpeter kits and this one seems to be no exception. I'm looking forward to this a lot.
As you say, it's a shame that you won't be using the four carb setup, they would look fantastic
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Post by Geezerman Tue 03 Sep 2013, 11:12 am

Looks like a great kit to work with, Skid.
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Post by harron68 Tue 03 Sep 2013, 1:50 pm

Trumpeter is a relatively new company with nice (if pricey) kits so far. It looks hopeful. One of the original 1960s (maybe '64 falcon sprint) from AMT had optional parts for Ford's African rally car. Good luck with yours here. Car colors aren't that appealing, but with details and chrome it will be a grand addition. Will be interested to see how well the chassis looks. I think trumps' Chevy Nova had a nice chassis.

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Post by Brizio Tue 03 Sep 2013, 4:21 pm

A member of my club show this kit a few months ago, it looks a very nice kit, and well made.

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Post by Guest Tue 03 Sep 2013, 5:07 pm

These Trumpeter kits are awesome. Nice detail and very little flash. Yes they cost a little more but you get what you pay for.

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Post by harron68 Wed 04 Sep 2013, 12:57 pm

I checked the web and Trumpeters for $55 (retail?) as opposed to around $25 for large number popular kits puts them in the resin cast zone for pricing. I'd like to see a little less space between their price point and the Revell/AMT/Monogram prices. Would others here say the Trumpeter kits have the quality of detail of the Tamiyas? Trumpeters just don't seem to be worth it, at least to me.

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Post by Guest Wed 04 Sep 2013, 4:22 pm

I have several of their kits. I paid 35 bucks apiece for them. Falcons, Novas and a Monte Carlo.

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Post by harron68 Sun 08 Sep 2013, 5:55 pm

At $35 a good deal and probably worth it. Trumpeter did, I think, a beautiful Pontiac too.

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Post by Skid Sun 22 Sep 2013, 1:00 am

Thanks guys.

On the carbs, I have it from an Aussie member (It's an Aussie race car) that it ran on four twin choke Webers in it's early days until the regs legislated for a single carb. So I'm going to use the Webers, assuming the will sit under the standard bonnet. And that at the mo looks favourable.

Since I'm going to be using some period NASCAR tyres on this, I have mocked up the front and rear suspension together with the interior.

Just as well as you can see....... this don't look very race like do it????   LOL.

The rear is OK but the front needs some serious lowering. Oh well, these things are sent to try us!!!

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Also, I don't have any Minilite wheels..............

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...... so I'm just going to have to use those above.!!!!

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Post by webby Sun 22 Sep 2013, 8:37 am

Al, I'll be seeing that car race at Bathurst in 3 weeks today. No promises but I'll try to get some pics.

I'm not sure period NASCAR tyres are suitable- the car in this series run a Hoosier control tyre.
It's a quick car- too quick for me. I want to see the Camaros & Holdens up there. LOL.

Here's a link to the series.

http://www.touringcarmasters.com.au/History/seriesInformation.html

And the tech regs.

http://www.touringcarmasters.com.au/History/documents/2010_Aust_TouringCarMasters_Sport-TechRegs-2.pdf

My appologies if you've already got 'em.

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Post by Skid Sun 22 Sep 2013, 10:59 pm

Thanks for the links Chris. Much appreciated. However I can't get the regs one to work.!!

As for the tyres, it's either those or the stock tyres and they are too skinny. The tread pattern may not be correct and they are probably about 1mm too wide but hey ho!!

Oh boy!....and so the problems start.

The chassis is all to pot in the body. In the first photo you can see some locators.

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It seems to me that they should fit within the body:

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But when I do that, the front bulkhead is too far forward:

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And the wheels are too far forward:

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When I place the locators outside the body:

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the wheels and bulkhead are in the right places but the bumper no longer fits properly:

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It should be easy enough to fix but I expected better from Tumpeter.

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Post by harron68 Mon 23 Sep 2013, 1:00 am

Absolutely, Trumpeter dropped the ball, it seems. Here in the U.S. the original (mid '60s) AMT Falcon kits had the 4 Webers in a single row with stubby velocity stacks and no air cleaner and they fit under the stock hood. Good luck and thanx for the Trumpeter info!

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Post by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 2:47 am

Very interesting. I am glad I am following this build. I have a couple of these and this is great info.

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Post by webby Mon 23 Sep 2013, 5:17 am

Al, if you follow the first link, you'll see a heading 'Technical Information'. Follow that link to the
tech specs.

Circled in the pic below. I've also got 4 minilite style wheels- from memory they're ex a Revel-o-gram Corvette.

PM me if you're interested, & once I find the camera, I'll forward some pics.

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Post by Skid Mon 23 Sep 2013, 4:27 pm

Thanks Chris. PM coming.

On closer inspection of the instructions, I realised I'd missed the suspension strut brace. This covers the gap in the bulkhead and if using the stock wheels and tyres, would mean the chassis would fit as it comes.

But I still need to move the chassis a tad to get the wheels centralised.

Where Trumpeter intended:

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Where it needs to be:

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Post by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 4:40 pm

So with the stock wheels and tires it would have been center in the wheel well?

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Post by Skid Mon 23 Sep 2013, 6:20 pm

Yes. They are a tad smaller in dia. and narrower, so not so close to the arches.

With these tyres, I still need to move it forward a tad though.

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Post by Skid Mon 23 Sep 2013, 7:15 pm

OK. I now have the wheels set the best I can and I have lowered the front suspension.

Looking at it, it still appears high at the front but it isn't. The sills are perfectly level with the ground at 1mm each end!!

I think the side spear is causing it to look high at the front. ie. optical illusion.

When finaly fitted, the front end will sit a tad lower as indicated by the red arrow.

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Pre-lowering:

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After lowering:

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Next up is to scratch build a roll cage.

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Post by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 8:46 pm

I think you are right about the side trim Al. I also think the big wheel well in the front has something to do with it. Make sit look taller.

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Post by Guest Mon 23 Sep 2013, 9:08 pm

I've been thinking of buying this kit for some time, but cost has been putting me off
- also not knowing what the quality was like with this new manufacturer.
However, looking at your photos the moulding looks crisp and I might treat myself to one for Christmas.
Check out this wall of Falcons and US muscle seen at the Silverstone Classic in 2010...

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Post by Skid Mon 23 Sep 2013, 11:09 pm

Yeah, optical illusion Buck.


DAD.... the issue I had with the chassis is purley down to my using different wheels and tyres. If using the kit wheels and tyres, you won't have the problem.

This is my first Trumpeter kit and I have to say I am very impressed with the quality and was taken aback with my 'perceived' fit issue.

The body is a delight and I only see two very light mold lines at the bottoms of the B pillars. That may change a tad when I apply primer of course but if it does, I'm sure whatever shows up will be minor indeed.

Many moons ago, well before Croft Race Track closed then re-opend in it's present form, I used to go there to watch all sorts of racing, including the big tin tops. I saw Jim Clark there, in his Twink Cortina, several times doing battle with big  Falcons, Galaxies and Mustangs.

Off the line, the big American muscle would pull away from him but come the twiddly bits he'd out brake them and pull away. Only to be overtaken down the straights. It was close racing and touch and go as to who would cross the line first. Fabulous to watch.

Here he is in his normal modus operandi!!

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If I'm not mistaken, that lead Falcon is an Alan Mann liveried car.

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Post by Guest Tue 24 Sep 2013, 12:39 am

Funnily Al, my first visit to Croft Circuit was in my '65 Cortina, which doubled as a club rally car
(check out the SP44 tyres on 5.5J Lotus wheels) - but that was to see a Rallycross event.
Mustangs & Galaxies still do battle with Cortinas and Anglias at Croft during their Nostalgia weekend in late August.

...Liking this thread, but it's a pity that Minilite wheels aren't available, as far as I know,
as aftermarket parts because they would be useful for numerous models.

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Post by Skid Tue 24 Sep 2013, 12:59 am

SP44's.... wow, that takes me way back to my rallying days. It was the tyre of choice for most road rally cars back then.

This was my 1071cc ExWorks Cooper S:

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And this is my full on, works engined 998cc Imp. The photo was taken somewhere on the Scarborough Stages Rally, sometime after I rolled it at about 90mph at the top of Oliver's Mount. Note the missing screen and bent A pillar. LOL

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It's getting Minilites DAD. I love ARW's too but they won't do for this one.

BTW, you can get them as AM parts from this guy:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400453451942?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Got three sets coming.

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Post by Guest Tue 24 Sep 2013, 1:15 am

I looks like you were a serious racer - I only dabbled, happy enough not to get a DNF.
Here's a couple more of mine :

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